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  What a difference a year makes.

  by Billzfan23 in

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  last year on this date... i was burned out as an elder, school overseer, book study overseer, etc... my monday nights were shepherding calls, phone calls, judicial committe meetings.

  tuesday nights i conducted the theocratic ministry school and usually had a service meeting part.

  wednesday nights i had a bible study with a family from the territory.

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  TooBad TooSad

  Thanks for the great post. Been there and done that. As I continue my fade I want to

  avoid the title "apostate" for the sake of my wife and other family members.
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  How bad can it get?

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. jw
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  at the watchtower study sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies.

  on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand.

  were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity.

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  TooBad TooSad

  Oompa, thanks for your sincere comments. It is so sad that the only people,

  other than my family, that I feel close to are people that I have never met, but I feel

  like I know all of you so well.

  Thanks,

  TooBad TooSad
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  How bad can it get?

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the watchtower study sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies.

  on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand.

  were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity.

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  TooBad TooSad

  Dear 4digitcode,

  I would not dream of teaching people the beliefs of J.W.'s. I only attend meetings to keep my marriage and

  not to lose some of my children. I do not comment at meetings and I do not attend all of them but I do turn in

  about 5 hours a month of bogus field service time to keep the elders off of my back. If the elders did talk to me

  about why I am not reaching out, I am affraid that I would not be able to keep my composure and tell them what

  I really believe. We all know what the outcome of that would be.

  When I think back in time when I had family studies with my children and wife, and I was an elder, I often thought that

  something just doesn't feel right about what I believe. When a visting Bethel elder told me in confidence some of the

  things that were taking place in Bethel (in the 80's) I guess that was the beginning of my desire to learn more of what was really

  going on in Brooklyn. Once you begin to learn the truth about the truth you can not stop learning as you see

  your believe system unravel, your hopes for the "very near future" go up in flames, and the wasted years and marred

  childhood from being a JW pass before your eyes. It is painful and yet it feels good to be free or almost free.
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  How bad can it get?

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the watchtower study sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies.

  on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand.

  were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity.

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  TooBad TooSad

  At the Watchtower study Sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies

  on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand." Of course there

  were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity. Why don't they just kill themselves

  and wait for the resurrection? All that we have for sure is our lifes today. The witnesses are not living their

  lives but are just waiting for the minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, and decades to pass so that they can

  step over the dead bodies of 99.9% of the earths population to bask in the wonderful new paradise. There is no guarantee

  that anyone will be in a paradise earth. To focus our energies and efforts on something that is not even here,

  even though it has been promised for nearly a hundred years, just shows how brainwashed the JW's are.

  Something else I have wondered about is why is it that we can see so clearly what the Watchtower Society

  really is all about while the die hard witnesses think that the governing body is the direct mouth piece of God?

  At the bookstudy last week the comment was made that "Jehovah seems to wait for the summer district

  assemblies to give us his special messages." I can't take it, the meetings are making me physically ill.

  How I pray to God that my family will see the truth about the truth so that I can stop the charade that I

  am in.
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  The Effect of Losing Elders

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  losing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.

  they hate large congregations.

  but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.

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  TooBad TooSad

  One of the effects of losing elders is the quality of the public talks. I would estimate

  that only 1 out of 10 speakers on Sunday holds the attention of the audience. When

  I look around the Hall on Sunday morning 70% of the witnesses are not even paying

  attention. Back in the good old days (1970 - 1975) 9 out of 10 speakers gave a good

  talk. At our hall there were 6 elders and we were actually in demand by congregations

  as far as 80 miles away to give talks on Sundays. As the good elders wised up and

  stepped down or have died off, the quality of all of the meetings has also gone down.

  Now you have elder want-to-be's teaching who put people to sleep with boredom.

  In our hall we have some good brothers who go out in service alot but do not want to

  be M.S.'s or Elders.
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  What kinds of fading techniques have you used?

  by ldrnomo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may have seen my post in jedi masters topic but if you haven't i will re-post it here:.

  i'm new to the site, my wife and i are are doing the fade we still have a son and daughter-in-law who are still in so we don't want to get hung.

  i was an elder for 25 years and was removed because i didn't agree with the gb on an important issue and spoke privately and with trust to another elder who broke that trust and told the other elders and co about my disagreement.

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  TooBad TooSad

  Welcome to the board.

  I first stopped dropped out of of ministry school, the stopped commenting at the Watchtower study,

  then the bookstudy. Then I stopped going on Thursday nites, stopped going in service, and now

  attend the bookstudy a couple of times a month. I still go on Sundays and this is beginning to be

  painful. This has been over a four year period. I have only received one shepparding call. I count

  4 to 5 hours a month of bogus field service time which keeps the elders happy. I have not knocked

  on a door in 4 years but I have racked up a decent publisher card record.
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  Disturbing news on the deaths of the 5 elders

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  i have been following the news reports of the death of the 5 elders from tennesse that died.

  in the plane crash.

  several things really bother me.

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  TooBad TooSad

  I have been following the news reports of the death of the 5 elders from Tennesse that died

  in the plane crash. Several things really bother me. One of the things is that several articles reported

  the brothers requesting that in lieu of sending flowers to the family or the burial service to sent contributions

  to the Kingdom Hall. These five families have lost their material providers. The wifes and children are going to

  need money not the Kingdom Hall. I can only guess who the KH will send the money to. The

  WTBS will use it to pay down the debt of the pedophile cases. I wonder if the WTBS had life

  insurance policies for these 5 men? They certainly were doing the work of the organizaton.

  I wonder too if these 5 elders had life insurance policies for their families. When I was a zealous

  elder I did not carry life insurance for my death because it was, at that time, considered to be

  showing a lack of faith in the nearness of the Great Tribulation. The other thing that I find to be

  disturbing about the deaths is that the reports quote the brothers as saying that we look forward

  to seeing them again in the resurrection. It like they are saying well everything is going to be

  alright because they will be alive shortly after the impending Great Tribulation. Well it is not

  alright. The wifes may have lost the love of their lives and oh by the way they will not be married

  to the elders when they are resurrected according to WT doctrine. The children have lost their fathers,

  the wifes have lost their mates, their lifes will now be turned upside down. Waving the magic wand

  of we will see them soon in the resurrection will not take the pain away.
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  Why is the "Cross" an issue?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what does the wts hope to achieve by creating an issue of the shape of the implement that jesus was nailed to?

  why are they prepared to go so far as to misrepresent authorities through selective quotations, such as of lipsius as well as of liddell and scott?

  this is not about the shape of the implement, but to unearth the reason why the wts has this position.

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  TooBad TooSad

  I have bee a Witness for over 50 years and I have come to believe that Jesus did die on

  a cross. My wife says that Jesus died on a stake because the cross had a pagan origin.

  I said "who do you think the Romans were? They were pagans and they used crosses."

  Personally it should not make any difference on what Jesus died on. The important thing

  is that he did die for mankind.
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  How Reported Field Service Isn't Real

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was an elder, i commonly got in my ( required) minimum of ten hours a month.

  typically, i put.

  in a lot of time door to door.

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  TooBad TooSad

  I have not been in the door to door work for 4 years and I still turn in time every month

  to keep the elders off of my back. Doesn't it seen strange that no one asks me why they never

  see me in service yet I report 4 to 5 hours every month? Maybe I should turn in 10

  hours. Then I would be seen as reaching out and perhaps be appointed a Ministerial

  Servant.
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  How Reported Field Service Isn't Real

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was an elder, i commonly got in my ( required) minimum of ten hours a month.

  typically, i put.

  in a lot of time door to door.

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  TooBad TooSad

  I have not been in the door to door work for 4 years and I still turn in time every month

  to keep the elders off of my back. Doesn't it seen strange that no one asks me why they never

  see me in service yet I report 4 to 5 hours every month? Maybe I should turn in 10

  hours. Then I would be seen as reaching out and perhaps be appointed a Ministerial

  Servant.